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The Foundations of Deep Learning

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AI: smakeloze stamppot of existentieel gevaar / Van geraaskal tot plagiaat

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    Geoffrey Hinton

    The Foundations of Deep Learning

    at the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences (IVA)

    Interview NobelPrize.org

    The Foundations of Deep Learning

    Sir Paul Nurse, Demis Hassabis, Jennifer Doudna, and John Jumper

    AI for Science - Professor Hannah Fry

    AI for Science

    Rudolf Le Poole

    BlackGEM-telescopen beginnen jacht op bronnen van zwaartekrachtgolven

    BlackGEM-telescopen

    Juraj Gottweis and Vivek Natarajan

    Accelerating scientific breakthroughs with an AI co-scientist

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    Vincent Icke

    AI: smakeloze stamppot of existentieel gevaar / Van geraaskal tot plagiaat

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    I encourage you to

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      If an "AI co-scientist" can now generate novel hypotheses and research proposals by synthesizing millions of papers no human could read in 2,600 years, will the future Nobel Prize be awarded to a "collaborative ecosystem" rather than an individual?

      The possibility of a "collaborative ecosystem" receiving a Nobel Prize marks a significant shift from the historical "era of great lone geniuses" to a future defined by massive, interdisciplinary teams and AI integration. While the current Nobel tradition focuses on awarding individuals who confer the "greatest benefit to humankind," the sources suggest that the nature of discovery is fundamentally changing.

      The Scale of AI Synthesis

      The premise of your query is grounded in the sheer scale of modern AI; for example, it would take a human reading 24/7 over 2,600 years just to consume the amount of text used to train GPT-3. Because of this, an "AI co-scientist" can navigate the "breadth and depth conundrum" of scientific literature, integrating insights from unfamiliar domains that no single human could master.

      From Lone Geniuses to Collaborative Ecosystems

      The sources indicate that science is increasingly a team-based endeavor rather than a solo pursuit:

      • The End of the Lone Genius: Researchers note that the biggest challenges—such as climate change and disease—now require "big talented teams" working across traditional discipline boundaries.
      • Massive Teamwork: Breakthroughs like AlphaFold were not the work of one person but required a combination of biologists, chemists, machine learning experts, and engineers.
      • Ecosystem Building: Organizations like Google DeepMind explicitly aim to build a "more collaborative ecosystem" by open-sourcing projects and making tools and datasets available to the global research community.

      Can AI Win a Nobel Prize?

      Whether a "collaborative ecosystem" or the AI itself could receive the award remains a point of debate:

      • Human-Centric Ingenuity: Despite its power, AI is currently viewed as an "assistive technology" or the "Ultimate Tool". Nobel laureates like Demis Hassabis argue that scientific intuition and the ability to "ask the right question" remain critical human contributions that AI cannot yet replicate.
      • Questionable Eligibility: Some experts find the idea of an AI itself receiving a Nobel Prize "more questionable" than the prize being awarded to the humans who leverage AI to solve "root node problems"—fundamental challenges that unlock entirely new branches of knowledge.
      • Validation through Human Experts: Systems like the AI co-scientist are designed to function as a "virtual scientific collaborator," but their outputs (such as novel hypotheses for drug repurposing) are still prioritized and validated by human domain experts.

      The "Co-Scientist" as a Force Multiplier

      The future may not see the Nobel Committee awarding a machine, but rather recognizing the human-machine partnership. The AI co-scientist has already demonstrated the ability to independently re-discover novel biological mechanisms and suggest treatment targets that were later validated in real-world laboratory experiments. As these tools evolve to provide "mechanistic insights" and potentially discover new laws of biology, the boundary between the "thinker" and the "tool" may continue to blur.

      Is AI a "Root Node" Solution or a "Cultural Nuclear Bomb"?

      The debate over whether AI is a "root node" solution or a "cultural nuclear bomb" highlights the tension between its potential to revolutionize science and its perceived threat to human agency and creativity.

      AI as a "Root Node" Solution

      Demis Hassabis describes a "root node problem" as a challenge within the "tree of knowledge" that, once solved, unlocks an entire new branch or avenue of discovery. AI is viewed as the "ultimate tool" to solve these foundational problems because of its ability to navigate a "massive combinatorial space" that is beyond human capacity.

      • Scientific Breakthroughs: Projects like AlphaFold solved the static picture of protein structures, leading to immediate impacts in disease understanding and drug design. Similarly, the GNoME project discovered 200,000 new crystals, a scale of discovery Hassabis likens to an "AlphaFold level" for material science.
      • The AI Co-Scientist: New multi-agent systems, such as the AI co-scientist, act as virtual collaborators that can generate novel hypotheses and research proposals by synthesizing millions of papers. This "force multiplier" is intended to accelerate the clock speed of discovery, particularly in complex fields like drug repurposing and antimicrobial resistance.
      • A New Golden Era: Hassabis argues we are on the brink of a "new golden era of discovery" driven by interdisciplinary science and AI's ability to find correlations and structures in vast datasets.

      AI as a "Cultural Nuclear Bomb"

      Conversely, astronomer Vincent Icke warns that AI could become a "cultural nuclear bomb" if it begins to formulate deep hypotheses better and faster than humans. This perspective focuses on the risks of replacing human intuition with statistical processing.

      • Lack of "Understanding": Icke argues that AI contains "not a shred of understanding" and can only produce a "stew" of existing material, which he categorizes as either "babbling" or "plagiarism". He contends that AI cannot formulate a hypothesis—the foundation of all understanding—because it is trained only on "what is," whereas a hypothesis describes "what is not".
      • The Existential Threat: Geoffrey Hinton shares the concern that AI poses an "existential threat". He suggests we are at a "bifurcation point" where we must figure out how to keep control of systems that will eventually become more intelligent than us.
      • Erosion of Agency: There are significant concerns regarding the "erosion of democracy" and the loss of human "agency" over technology. If AI systems can win every debate against a human, the ability to regulate or control them becomes questionable.

      The Nuance of "Understanding"

      A central point of friction between these two camps is the definition of intelligence:

      • Hinton’s View: He argues that AI "understands the same way we do" and that human "understanding" is not based on symbolic logic but on learning and activity patterns in neural networks. He views human memory as a reconstructive process that frequently leads to "confabulation," similar to AI "hallucinations".
      • Icke’s View: He maintains that human intelligence is fundamentally different because it involves meaningful intent and the ability to imagine counter-intuitive truths, such as the Earth being a rotating sphere.

      Ultimately, while the "root node" perspective sees AI as an assistive technology that augments human ingenuity to solve "Mount Everest" problems like the virtual cell, the "nuclear bomb" perspective fears that a disembodied, digital intelligence will eventually render human creativity and agency irrelevant.

      Ok. Let me ask you one thing: "Is asking questions good?" I believe the struggle is to keep the attention to read the response. In that way...

      According to the sources, asking questions is not only good but essential for maintaining critical inquiry, though the "struggle" you mentioned regarding attention and effort is a central conflict in the modern intellectual landscape.

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      The Value of Questioning and the "Struggle"

      The sources from another notebook (day in the cafe) suggest that difficulty is a necessary component of high-level thought. While modern technology often seeks to make knowledge "cheap, easy, and frictionless," the humanities argue that "difficulty is good" and an end in its own right.

      • Mental Potency: Exhausting your mental faculties through "effortful writing" and "deep reading" is what makes your powers of thought more potent.
      • Creating Meaning: Drawing on Albert Camus, one source notes that humans create meaning through "willed struggle". Outsourcing questions or answers to AI can obscure this meaning, leading to work that is competent but never exceptional.
      • Cognitive Shortcuts: Your brain naturally attempts to conserve energy and will take shortcuts to avoid the "struggle" of complex thought. AI exploits this by offering to take over cognitive work, which can lead to the atrophy of critical-thinking skills.

      The Challenge of Attention

      You are correct that keeping attention to read and process deep responses is a significant struggle today.

      • Reduced Attention Spans: The sources acknowledge that smartphones and social media are hastening the collapse of attention spans.
      • Immediacy vs. Nuance: Many intellectual environments now demand immediacy where patience and nuance are actually required. This pressure causes thoughtful people to retreat because it is too "emotionally expensive" to engage in slow, rigorous work.
      • The "Slow Hunch": Meaningful ideas—described as "slow hunches"—need time, incubation, and a safe environment to mature. Without the attention to sustain the struggle of inquiry, these ideas are often flattened into simple "hot takes".

      AI as a Tool for Questioning

      Interestingly, the sources suggest that AI can be used to reclaim the space for questioning if used as a moderator rather than an oracle.

      • Psychological Safety: Because you debate a machine rather than a human, the "ego is removed". You can ask the AI to challenge its own logic or check its sources without fear of being insulted or "canceled".
      • Frictionless Surface: By acting as a "positive glaze" or a frictionless surface for the mind, AI can reduce the emotional cost of a conversation, allowing you to return to the rigorous work of source evaluation and critical thinking.
      • Synthesis of Chaos: AI can act as a modern "Commonplace Book" moderator, helping you speak fragmented thoughts out loud to synthesize the chaos into a coherent "slow hunch".

      Ultimately, the sources conclude that questions are more "pure" than answers. The goal is to use AI to handle the "heavy lifting" of data retrieval so that your brain is free for the "deep work" of synthesis, ethics, and moral reflection. Asking critical questions like "What happens to X when Y changes?" is your best defense against being left behind by technology.

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      Geoffrey Hinton
      Seminars - The Foundations of Deep Learning
      Vincent Icke
      AI: smakeloze stamppot of existentieel gevaar / Van geraaskal tot plagiaa
      Sir Paul Nurse, Demis Hassabis, Jennifer Doudna, and John Jumper
      AI for Science
      Rudolf Le Poole
      BlackGEM telescopes begin hunt for gravitational wave sources
       Jura Gottweis, Vivek Natarajan
      Accelerating scientific breakthroughs with an AI co-scientist

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